this is the root of my issue with this discourse tbh - like most people who talk about "fetishization" don& #39;t bring up any concrete examples of narratives or interactions between form and content that would make clear the commodification of m/m rships for cishet women comsumption https://twitter.com/shipperinjapan/status/1317735821949239297">https://twitter.com/shipperin...

like, I& #39;m sure there are things to be said about gay men feeling a certain disconnect from certain material written by women for a lack of shared experience, or how cis white women (or cis japanese women if we& #39;re talking of a manga context) have an easier time pitching this type+

+of content than actual lgbtq people, but even that... doesn& #39;t get at an issue of supposed fetishization? again - what kind of narrative exactly would lead to that?

I don& #39;t mean these as rhetoric questions really, because I don& #39;t feel any genre can be absolved of ever being problematic. I just want to know, what exactly are the systemic issues everyone is alluding at here? are these issues truly related to objectifying gay men, or aren& #39;t+

+they actually related to things like general rape culture or romanticizing abusive relationships (which definitely aren& #39;t issues exclusive to BL)?

Because like it or not, be it your intention or not, when you don& #39;t give clear definitions of what you man by straight women objectifying gay men, it does sound like your handwringing over gay smut is rooted in misogyny and homophobia

what you mean*